Conversation with Dr. Robert (Ibrahim) Jaffe

TMA: Were you already involved in holistic medicine at that time?

IJ: I already had some interest in holistic medicine and had spent some time meditating, but really had no background in them at that point. I spoke with some friends and they suggested acupuncture and homeopathy and none of that really worked. Then somebody suggested I go up to a yoga retreat and try some of their programs, which also didn't work. So after about six months of the disease, which was progressively getting worse and I was in a lot of pain, I realized that nobody was going to heal this for me. I went into a room, sat there and started to meditate with the belief that somewhere within me was the power to heal. For about three months I sat in that room and meditated every day. I visualized and did everything I could think of without a lot of success until one day I gave up. I got angry and couldn't deal with it anymore. I started to scream and yell and shout and as I did that, something remarkable happened. There was a flickering of light, a spinning and a sound and all of a sudden it was like a flow of energy opened inside of me and the light burst through the eye. For the first time in six months, I could see.

TMA: I've tried the crowbar method of fixing my car when frustrated . . .

IJ: (laughing) . . . and it didn't work too well, hmmm? I think the key is we have to understand that most illnesses are created from within. It comes from our consciousness and our wounds and the experiences we carry within ourselves. If we want to heal, we have to be able to change our consciousness. We have to release the wounding we carry inside of ourselves so that the energy can start to flow again.

We teach people how to begin to find the pictures carried in the unconscious mind which carry all the wounding that holds the energetics of the disease in place. Once they understand those pictures and learn how to release them through the divine love, the pictures disappear and are replaced by the pure light of divine love, which is perfect in its nature. Once that light comes through, there are no pictures of disease, there's only love. And in the experience of love, the physical disease disappears with it.

TMA: I'm still stuck on you got angry and started yelling and screaming and it got better. How does that fit?

IJ: The issue was that I was angry about things that I didn't want to see, such as my father, what I had gone through, what I had given up to become a physician, the repressing of my feelings -- because, you know, doctors aren't allowed to feel these types of things. Meditation was fine, homeopathy and acupuncture were great, but they didn't help me get the anger out. At that point, I didn't know how to get it out. When I got angry out of frustration, it was the movement of the anger that actually let the eye open up.

TMA: Somehow it just doesn't seem to line up with healing with divine love.

IJ: Divine love is the replacement. There are two factors that we're working with. There's the creation of disease and the transformation of that disease. The creation of disease is always due to repressed feelings, wounds and psychological pictures that we hold in our unconscious mind. It's the transformation of those pictures and wounds that cause healing. If we just move the energy, very often people will heal. But if they heal without returning to the divine love, it's like they've healed part of the disease but they haven't brought it back to into its complete nature.

TMA: What happened then, after you had your initial breakthrough?

IJ: When I realized what had happened, I sat down and formulated step by step what I had done and created my first system of healing.

TMA: Somewhere along the way you fell in with the Sufis?

IJ: Exactly. A Sufi teacher, Sidi Muhammad al-Jamal, [the current head of Shadhiliyya as well as the head of the High Sufi Counsel in Jerusalem] showed me the problems with the healing I had been doing [for others] up to that point. I say "problems" -- the healing was good, we had probably 10,000 cures. But he said to me, "You're working in an incomplete way. You're moving the energy but you're not changing the person deeply enough. You've changed the outside so the healing happened, but you haven't changed the inside."

I said, "What does that mean?" He said, "Well, if you change the body and you don't change the heart and the soul, how have you really healed the person?"

I said, "Doesn't healing the wounds, the emotions and the mind change them?" He said, "This is not enough. You've got to go past the mind and the emotions to changing the heart."

TMA: Otherwise, it would just re-manifest.

IJ: Or, if you have a person living in their ego, you change the ego so that it doesn't create disease but they still live in the ego. He was saying to me, "Why are you healing and keeping them in a state of egoism?"

TMA: How did you proceed?

IJ: Somebody came to the Institute who had breast cancer, which I had not had a whole lot of success with at that point. I watched how [my Sufi teacher healed others]. What he did was to invoke very, very high levels from God directly and bring through the purest light I've ever seen in the healing process. And as the light of God, which I call Love, moved through the disease, it took the disease from the person and the tumor disappeared.

I said, "Tell me exactly what you're doing." He said that what he's doing is that through his own transformation in proximity to God, he was able to call forth this light. Once he could invoke it, the Light transformed disease. We talked about how does one come into proximity to God so that they can access this pure Light. This is what he calls "walking," the transformation of the heart so that one becomes the divine vessel of God.

TMA: It can be stated very simply, but the complication comes in actually doing it.

IJ: It's easy to talk about God, but it's a heck of another thing to actually do the walking so that one comes into proximity.

TMA: How are you helping people to do the walking?

IJ: First of all, you have to know the divine Light. This is the first major step. Most people really don't know the difference between the divine Light and illusionary light inside themselves, so our first step is to teach people what is God, what is the Light of God and how do you know the difference between that and the other light.

The second step is how to align with that Light and listen to it and follow it. Once a person does those things, the rest gets pretty easy. Now as they're moving through life, things are going to come up on a day-to-day basis which are opportunities for them to make choices between moving closer to Love, the divine Light, or staying with the world or their personality or ego or something else. Step by step, day by day, the person moves deeper and deeper into the divine Light of God and begins to dispel all the illusion, desires and attachments to the outside. In time, the only thing that's left is the pure Oneness of God.

In the workshop, what we're going to be doing is teaching people how to heal in the way I was taught by the Sufi master, which brings through what I now call the Deep Love, which is pure energy. We will teach people how to align with it first and then begin to transmit it or radiate it in a healing process.

TMA: I'm interested in the community that you're building. For many years, I've had a vision of exactly what's described in your brochure here . . . finding spas that are no longer in use. Spas used to be such a bigger thing in this country. I know there have to be good water sources like that around. You guys have found one and are restoring it.

IJ: Yes, exactly. It's the old Walter Springs that was built in 1850 and discontinued in the 1900s. It had been sitting unused for 75 years or so and was in a pretty deep state of disrepair when we got it. We've since got all the buildings standing on their feet and some have been completely remodeled. We have four springs that come out of the ground which, if you can see clairvoyantly, you'll see that the light that comes out is pure white. It's a very holy ground.

TMA: Do the four different springs have different qualities, or are they all the same?

IJ: Each one is different. Two of them are fresh and two are mineral springs that come from a pretty deep level. We have a sense that there are hot springs on the property as well. We've had some warm water that's come out and we're going to drill for that probably next summer. Back in the 1900s, it was reputed to be one of the most healing spas in northern California. People came to it -- it's about two hours north of San Francisco -- for drinking water, bathing water. Wherever you have springs, you have sacred water. It's our sacred gift from the land.

Dr. Robert Jaffe, M.D. is the founder of the School of Energy Mastery and Energy Mastery Seminars. He is the head of the American Shadhiliyya Sufi Order and is a practicing physician, holistic doctor and clairvoyant healer. In 1997, the Sufi Sidi Muhammad al-Jamal conferred upon Dr. Jaffe the title of Muqaddam and asked him to lead the American Shadhiliyya Order.

For further information about The School of Energy Mastery and Energy Mastery Seminars, please call 1-800-238-3060.



	A Conversation with Dr. Robert (Ibrahim) Jaffe by Guy Spiro Dr. Ibrahim Jaffe, leader of the Shadhiliyya Sufi School of Spiritual Healing here in America, is a licensed medical doctor, master energetic healer and spiritual counselor. He is also the founder of the School of Energy Mastery and Energy Mastery Seminars and is widely recognized as a compassionate healer and loving teacher. To heal is to become one with the Deep Love of God.

	The Monthly Aspectarian: Dr. Jaffe, I'd like to start out by asking you to give a thumbnail description of your background. Ibrahim Jaffe: I'm a Medical Doctor who in 1986 went blind. I had picked up a virus when I wrestled for the Illini at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and it caused me to lose my sight. After treating with the common anti-virals and doing all the things that the physicians teach today, I was unable to get well. The medical profession basically washed its hands of me.
	TMA: Were you already involved in holistic medicine at that time? IJ: I already had some interest in holistic medicine and had spent some time meditating, but really had no background in them at that point. I spoke with some friends and they suggested acupuncture and homeopathy and none of that really worked. Then somebody suggested I go up to a yoga retreat and try some of their programs, which also didn't work. So after about six months of the disease, which was progressively getting worse and I was in a lot of pain, I realized that nobody was going to heal this for me. I went into a room, sat there and started to meditate with the belief that somewhere within me was the power to heal. For about three months I sat in that room and meditated every day. I visualized and did everything I could think of without a lot of success until one day I gave up. I got angry and couldn't deal with it anymore. I started to scream and yell and shout and as I did that, something remarkable happened. There was a flickering of light, a spinning and a sound and all of a sudden it was like a flow of energy opened inside of me and the light burst through the eye. For the first time in six months, I could see. TMA: I've tried the crowbar method of fixing my car when frustrated . . . IJ: (laughing) . . . and it didn't work too well, hmmm? I think the key is we have to understand that most illnesses are created from within. It comes from our consciousness and our wounds and the experiences we carry within ourselves. If we want to heal, we have to be able to change our consciousness. We have to release the wounding we carry inside of ourselves so that the energy can start to flow again. We teach people how to begin to find the pictures carried in the unconscious mind which carry all the wounding that holds the energetics of the disease in place. Once they understand those pictures and learn how to release them through the divine love, the pictures disappear and are replaced by the pure light of divine love, which is perfect in its nature. Once that light comes through, there are no pictures of disease, there's only love. And in the experience of love, the physical disease disappears with it. TMA: I'm still stuck on you got angry and started yelling and screaming and it got better. How does that fit? IJ: The issue was that I was angry about things that I didn't want to see, such as my father, what I had gone through, what I had given up to become a physician, the repressing of my feelings -- because, you know, doctors aren't allowed to feel these types of things. Meditation was fine, homeopathy and acupuncture were great, but they didn't help me get the anger out. At that point, I didn't know how to get it out. When I got angry out of frustration, it was the movement of the anger that actually let the eye open up. TMA: Somehow it just doesn't seem to line up with healing with divine love. IJ: Divine love is the replacement. There are two factors that we're working with. There's the creation of disease and the transformation of that disease. The creation of disease is always due to repressed feelings, wounds and psychological pictures that we hold in our unconscious mind. It's the transformation of those pictures and wounds that cause healing. If we just move the energy, very often people will heal. But if they heal without returning to the divine love, it's like they've healed part of the disease but they haven't brought it back to into its complete nature. TMA: What happened then, after you had your initial breakthrough? IJ: When I realized what had happened, I sat down and formulated step by step what I had done and created my first system of healing. TMA: Somewhere along the way you fell in with the Sufis? IJ: Exactly. A Sufi teacher, Sidi Muhammad al-Jamal, [the current head of Shadhiliyya as well as the head of the High Sufi Counsel in Jerusalem] showed me the problems with the healing I had been doing [for others] up to that point. I say "problems" -- the healing was good, we had probably 10,000 cures. But he said to me, "You're working in an incomplete way. You're moving the energy but you're not changing the person deeply enough. You've changed the outside so the healing happened, but you haven't changed the inside." I said, "What does that mean?" He said, "Well, if you change the body and you don't change the heart and the soul, how have you really healed the person?" I said, "Doesn't healing the wounds, the emotions and the mind change them?" He said, "This is not enough. You've got to go past the mind and the emotions to changing the heart." TMA: Otherwise, it would just re-manifest. IJ: Or, if you have a person living in their ego, you change the ego so that it doesn't create disease but they still live in the ego. He was saying to me, "Why are you healing and keeping them in a state of egoism?" TMA: How did you proceed? IJ: Somebody came to the Institute who had breast cancer, which I had not had a whole lot of success with at that point. I watched how [my Sufi teacher healed others]. What he did was to invoke very, very high levels from God directly and bring through the purest light I've ever seen in the healing process. And as the light of God, which I call Love, moved through the disease, it took the disease from the person and the tumor disappeared. I said, "Tell me exactly what you're doing." He said that what he's doing is that through his own transformation in proximity to God, he was able to call forth this light. Once he could invoke it, the Light transformed disease. We talked about how does one come into proximity to God so that they can access this pure Light. This is what he calls "walking," the transformation of the heart so that one becomes the divine vessel of God. TMA: It can be stated very simply, but the complication comes in actually doing it. IJ: It's easy to talk about God, but it's a heck of another thing to actually do the walking so that one comes into proximity. TMA: How are you helping people to do the walking? IJ: First of all, you have to know the divine Light. This is the first major step. Most people really don't know the difference between the divine Light and illusionary light inside themselves, so our first step is to teach people what is God, what is the Light of God and how do you know the difference between that and the other light. The second step is how to align with that Light and listen to it and follow it. Once a person does those things, the rest gets pretty easy. Now as they're moving through life, things are going to come up on a day-to-day basis which are opportunities for them to make choices between moving closer to Love, the divine Light, or staying with the world or their personality or ego or something else. Step by step, day by day, the person moves deeper and deeper into the divine Light of God and begins to dispel all the illusion, desires and attachments to the outside. In time, the only thing that's left is the pure Oneness of God. In the workshop, what we're going to be doing is teaching people how to heal in the way I was taught by the Sufi master, which brings through what I now call the Deep Love, which is pure energy. We will teach people how to align with it first and then begin to transmit it or radiate it in a healing process. TMA: I'm interested in the community that you're building. For many years, I've had a vision of exactly what's described in your brochure here . . . finding spas that are no longer in use. Spas used to be such a bigger thing in this country. I know there have to be good water sources like that around. You guys have found one and are restoring it. IJ: Yes, exactly. It's the old Walter Springs that was built in 1850 and discontinued in the 1900s. It had been sitting unused for 75 years or so and was in a pretty deep state of disrepair when we got it. We've since got all the buildings standing on their feet and some have been completely remodeled. We have four springs that come out of the ground which, if you can see clairvoyantly, you'll see that the light that comes out is pure white. It's a very holy ground. TMA: Do the four different springs have different qualities, or are they all the same? IJ: Each one is different. Two of them are fresh and two are mineral springs that come from a pretty deep level. We have a sense that there are hot springs on the property as well. We've had some warm water that's come out and we're going to drill for that probably next summer. Back in the 1900s, it was reputed to be one of the most healing spas in northern California. People came to it -- it's about two hours north of San Francisco -- for drinking water, bathing water. Wherever you have springs, you have sacred water. It's our sacred gift from the land. Dr. Robert Jaffe, M.D. is the founder of the School of Energy Mastery and Energy Mastery Seminars. He is the head of the American Shadhiliyya Sufi Order and is a practicing physician, holistic doctor and clairvoyant healer. In 1997, the Sufi Sidi Muhammad al-Jamal conferred upon Dr. Jaffe the title of Muqaddam and asked him to lead the American Shadhiliyya Order. For further information about The School of Energy Mastery and Energy Mastery Seminars, please call 1-800-238-3060.