As the old consciousness gives way to the new, parents, educators and others who work with children praise these author-researchers for their work in explaining the unusual attributes of the Indigo Children who have been incarnating worldwide.

The Monthly Aspectarian: How did your research into Indigo Children come about and how did it develop?

Lee Carroll: Jan and I are self-help speakers. We have a twelve-year work called the Kryon work that has produced seven or eight best-selling books in metaphysics. In all our travels—and we go worldwide—we have so many people, mostly parents, coming up to us on a regular basis saying something is changing with the children. We are not educators and were not in the venue with people that work with children a lot. But we looked very carefully in our research and decided, indeed, this needed to be brought to the fore.

Jan Tober: All of this information kept coming at us. When you get something coming at you in such a flow, you have to look at it. I've been a student of metaphysics all my life, but 30 years ago I became consciously aware of it. In the mid-70s, as a lucid dreamer, I would receive very unusual dreams that didn't seem to connect to me directly. They would be of children, babies, telling me who they were, why they came to their parents, what they were teaching their parents and why they were coming onto the planet.

I talked to some friends and nobody else seemed to be getting the information. So I just observed. A few years after that, I met Nancy Ann Tappe who was studying life colors, and working on her Ph.D. She worked in China a lot and taught at the University of San Diego. As part of her research and study she published a book called Understanding Your Life Through Color in 1982. In that, the first mention of indigo is talked about. In the back of my mind as we were doing the Kryon work, I was very well aware of the indigo life color, and the other life colors.

We realized that she was watching newborns for what life colors were coming in and if any were changing. She recognized that after 1980 about 80% of the babies being born had this aura around them that she equated to their life mission and their life color. It was what she called Indigo. As of 1990 she realized that there were about 90% being born. Now that we're in 2002, we're almost at 100%. How does she know? Is she a psychic? Yes, she is a very intuitive therapist. Beyond that, she has had a medical diagnosis of Synesthesia. That's where two neurological systems become crossed so that the senses get reversed. She actually sees like a Kirlian camera. It can be tested. What seems to be her dysfunction has ended up being a great gift to all of us.

LC: That's when we went to the educators, to the real world, and Hay House published, two years ago, our book called The Indigo Children. This book outlined from educators, Ph.D. doctors, M.D.s, psychologists, the fact that this was not just something we kind of noticed. This was on the forefront of happening in parenting problems, in schools, and subsequently, it ties in with the exponential increase of the prescription of Ritalin that has been in the news in the last couple of years.

JT: The exponential use of Ritalin was actually the sand in the oyster of the book.

LC: This of course tied in with ADD and ADHD. This work that we had previously been doing, which is almost all metaphys-ical, is being dragged into the mainstream. The first book sold over 200,000 copies in two years. That is very, very unusual. It's now in 15 languages, so people all over the earth, including our own country, are seeing this. It's front page news when it comes to what's going on in the schools, what's going on medically, and that's what brought us to this point.

TMA: What are the primary characteristics of an Indigo Child?

JT: Well, it's very interesting. These children come in right brain/left brain balanced, which we all strive to be in our lifetime. They are coming into a predom-inantly left brain honored world, where linear thinking is honored above creative, imaginative, more right brained intuitive thought. They come into the world and they feel they're royalty. They know why they're here, they know who they are. They're very, very intuitive. They have difficulty with absolute authority. You can't say to them, "Don't do that because I say so." You really need to explain the situation to them. Treat them like you would an adult. You can't make them feel guilty. That does not register. They're smarter than that. They are also system busters. Just because a school is up and running with certain criteria, certain rules and regulations, they will not automatically buy into it. So you can see how important and challenging that's going to be, and is, in the world. Also, guilt has been such a tactic of parenting. It's a tactic that people use against each other, to play around with guilt and victimization; these children will not respond to that.

TMA: They see right through it.

JT: They see right through everything. So we need to learn how to work with them and help them work with us.

LC: These are not difficult children. The laundry list we give makes it sound like they're brats.

JT: However, they can be difficult if they are thwarted and not understood.

LC: That's the whole point. We believe that we are seeing consciousness evolution at this time in history. This is extremely controversial. It's gotten us in trouble with the mainstream who will not go there. And yet all around us, whether it is psychologists or educators, they are startled by what they are seeing in a changing consciousness.

TMA: It's happening whether the main-stream wants to acknowledge it or not.

LC: One of the speakers at the conference coming up is Jim McCartney, who is teaching a college course at Washington Western University in the state of Washington -- and the name of the college course is "The Changing Awareness of Our Children." And so we are now broaching mainstream in a very big way.

JT: We recently finished a PAX TV show called Encounters of the Unexplained that is in prime time on PAX cable, with Jerry Orbach as the host. It's a program called "Super Brain Children' and we were brought in because this may be one of the explanations for some of these children that just do amazingly unusual things. On that show was a Ph.D., Linda Silverman, who will be with us May 18th and 19th at the workshop in Chicago. She is editor of Advanced Development Journal and directs the Institute for the Study of Advanced Development and its subsidiary which is the Gifted Development Center in Denver. She's been doing this for over 20 years. Her Ph.D. is in Educational Psychology and Special Education from USC. A lot of the things she has discovered in her work absolutely interface with ours. I called her and she said, "I've read your book, and I recommend it to people."

TMA: Explain a little further how the ADD explosion relates to the Indigo Children.

LC: What we have here is a symptomatic situation. We're drugging the children, and Time magazine has been addressing this for over two years. It's not just an American phenomenon, it's happening all over. The ADD and ADHD phenomenon is, of course, not a disease. It's a behavioral issue, and yet it is being treated as a disease, with an exponential increase in the prescription of Ritalin.

What we have then is the question: what is going on in our society and the world? The Indigos are not automatically ADD or ADHD. However, when they're seen in the schools and homes in the old parenting and the old energy way, their reaction to being taught or parented like we were looks like the symptoms of ADD. When you get a kid who is a system buster, won't do what he's told, thinks there is a better way, is difficult and doesn't seem to stand in line like all the others, someone is going to advise the parent that he be drugged. This is really unfortunate, but this is exactly what is going on. Hopefully, this will make your readers just think twice and gasp: many teachers are actually sending notes home to parents saying, We're not going to take this kid unless you drug him.

JT: Nancy Ann Tappe says, "Indigos are like 220 volts placed into 110 wiring." That's going to read like ADD or ADHD unless we start understanding that there may be a new paradigm here to look at.

LC: That's the whole point. Is there a new paradigm? We're not here to shove stuff down people's throats or give them a doctrine or any of that. What we do is present four speakers at our conferences that make people think maybe there is something going on, and it is correctable -- correctable with honor and with a different paradigm, not drugs. There are a lot of smart people that agree with us.

JT: A wonderful friend of ours, Dr. Wayne Dosick, who is a rabbi from Chicago, and his wife, Ellen Dosick, who is a therapist, have put together a process called You/Me that works so successfully with parents and children. They read our book and realized what they do works for the Indigos, and they are actually dealing with a lot of Indigos. Wayne is a delightful speaker and they'll both be at the Chicago workshop.

LC: He's written a number of books. The one in front of me here is The Golden Rules: The Ten Ethical Values Parents Need to Teach Their Children.

TMA: Let's say you have a case with a child exhibiting mild ADD symptoms, not a drugging case, just a difficulty focusing on things that are not interesting to the child. How does one deal with that?

JT: The first thing that we suggest are natural approaches. Look at nutrition, allergies, foods, pesticides, cleaning chemicals, air-borne allergies, mold and dust pollution. These things can be adding to what is already an unusual child.

TMA: Quite often there is a sugar sensitivity.

JT: You must start there. Look at taking wheat, dairy, sugar, one at a time or in combinations, out of the diet of the child, and see if there is a change in temperament.

TMA: I am struck by the numbers of children that you're saying are Indigo. I see it in my own but they were raised that way. I've coached lots of youth sports over the last 10 years, and I've seen a wide range of different kinds of kids.

JT: What I'm hearing from you is you're seeing a lot of difference in the children. We're breaking up people into categories, which goes against everything I feel and know, but let's do that because we're trying to make this as left brained as we can, and palatable for the mainstream. The Indigos break up into the humanist, the conceptual, the artists, and the interdimensional.

The humanist will be your child that works with masses of people. They will be your doctors, lawyers, teachers, businessmen, politicians; they tend to be more hyperactive and social than the rest. The conceptual is the child that is more into projects than into people. They'll be the engineers, architects, designers, astronauts, pilots, and they're often quite athletic. They tend not to be clumsy at all. Then you've got your artist, which is more sensitive. They'll be the teachers, the artists, they're more refined, and they tend to be smaller in structure. Your interdimensionals are physically larger than the other children. They will bring in new philosophies and religions but they also can be bullies if they're thwarted. That shows you the variety you're going to experience within the Indigos.

LC: We don't like to put anything in a box and hate generalizations, but we are faced with an overall changing of consciousness in children. We turn to some of our Ph.D.'s and say, "Please help us to explain this in a more left brained way." That's why we have some of the speakers that we do, because it will be more acceptable than just hearing from the woo-woo folks that hey, the kids are different. This has been our challenge.

TMA: It's clear to me that, since I was born in the early 50s, there has been a huge shift in consciousness. It makes perfect sense that the children who are being born will reflect that. But the mainstream is only vaguely aware at this point that there are different types of intelligence, and clearly are not valuing anything that does not follow the old model.

LC: That's correct.

JT: To jump to another piece of this, we are very excited about the Chicago workshop because of Debra Redmond, who has the Legacy Project. The Legacy Project is based on a workshop program primarily on the Indigo material. Her work with the Indigo Children qualified her to have CEU's for social workers, teachers, nurses and therapists. She is certified by the Illinois State Board of Education. The Legacy project is a non-profit, holistic educational group led by Debra. I've been working with her now for the last year, helping with this program, and we've been looking at how we can put this together and start teaching it. According to what we're being told, we will be able to offer it as continuing education units for teachers.

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Jan Tober and Lee Carroll speak before thousands of seminar attendees worldwide on human enablement and empowerment. Lee has authored seven self-help books over the past ten years that have been translated into multiple languages. Jan is the author of numerous articles, audiocassettes and CDs related to self-help. Jan and Lee have been invited three times to present their message of hope and love at the United Nations.

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