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Guy Spiro: I loved What the Bleep.   

J.Z. Knight: People love What the Bleep because the movie is about you and them. It’s not about a movie star, a product, a corporation, or a motion picture company. It’s a movie about people and their potential. So, it was an event. Rarely has a movie absolutely included people as main characters of a film.

GS: I’ve found it interesting how people with a metaphysical background love it, but many people coming from the hard sciences have been less than charitable.

JZK: Well, hard scientists can be up for grabs on that point, depending upon where they get their funding. Actually, hard science isn’t in disagreement with it. Certainly, Sir Roger Penrose isn’t in disagreement with it. You only have to look at the June, 2005 Discover magazine and the articles  about electrons occupying two places in space at once. And to read further in the articles to understand that a few do not speak for the whole when it comes to the science of quantum physics.

GS: They just can’t stand that it’s coming from someone from outside of academia.

JZK: Well, you are partially correct on that. The uniqueness of quantum physics (and why it’s called what is probably a more affectionate term, the kingdom of heaven) is that the quantum world is activated by the observer. Until recently, the observers have always been the scientists, who have contemplated the quantum field’s existence and, thereby, the field has given to them their contemplation. So, that’s lofty. But if we bring in the waitress from the local diner down the street, and ask her to observe the field, then her particles that are being organized by the quantum field would react utterly and entirely differently than the particles of the scientists. So what befuddles some in the field of quantum physics is, quintessentially, that the observer isn’t them. It is everybody. That is information that they could want to be kept under cover, because it doesn’t stroke importance but rather gives importance to the whole, which is so fabulous. The observer effect upon the quantum field causes it to create the particles on a subatomic level and organize them according to the observation. That is what we’d call “life.” That is what we call “thinking.” That is what we call “reality.” That is what we call “experiential environment.”

GS: I was fascinated a few years back to read how particles seem to blink into existence when consciousness is put upon them and blink out when it’s not.

JZK: Yes, but, that is still separating “consciousness” from “particles.” There is no separation. Particles are, in effect, free energy focused into structure. So, energy is actually encoded with information. That’s where we get the concept of consciousness. All frequencies are not just frequencies. They’re encoded specifically, so when they’re observed, they become particle-base. But that particle has encoded information, much like our DNA from the sperm and the ovum. A particle is encoded information from energy, but the containment of it in the particle is called consciousness and energy. So, we learn at the school that there is no such thing as consciousness that is extraordinarily out from particle mass, but they are the same thing, that molecular science is actually the study of the consciousness of energy with a persuasion into form. When we talk about reality blinking in for those who perceive it and blinking out and becoming a different reality for someone else who perceives it, we’re talking about the quantum field being responsive to the observer.

GS: If I’m looking north, does anything exist to the south?

JZK: Relative to you, it would only exist in terms of memory. But if you’re experiencing north, then you have less south to experience, so in the reality, it becomes fuzzy again. The fact is that the whole of the world is still contained in its gravitational field of expectation, everybody is observing the world as it is, is observing what we know about space as it is, and direction as it is. It will always be there because it’s still observed in the collective. In reality to you, it’s proven that the spatial differential lobe of the brain, which is to the far, back right of the brain, absolutely loses it’s concept of concept and spatial degrees, and so in one way, if we’re looking north, then the brain has lost, except in memory, the concept of south. But that there is a south pole is held by the concept of the whole knowing that.

GS: You know, no matter how fast I turn around, I can’t catch it coming into shape.

JZK: Because your intent is already to catch it. It’s not about the physical turning around, it’s about the intent.

GS: Talk a little more about consensus reality.

JZK: Consensus reality is like majority rule. It’s sort of like a law that says that this is what we all agree upon. We all agree that this is the United States and we know that somewhere there is China. Even if we’ve never been there, we absolutely accept the concept that China exists and that its peoples and environment and history are enriched to the degrees that we know about them in our own special self. But, when we talk about consensus, then there is a point where we develop our own consensus and the very fact that we step out of the whole consensus into a concept of our own to experience reality is respondent to our own consensus. It doesn’t mean that because everyone else believes a certain way, or holds these things true in the reality, that somehow we are diminished in the probability effect. In fact, we’re not. The moment we step out with a different consensus, then reality begins to form itself according to our consensus. So that’s why “truth” is relative to the person creating and experiencing.

GS: How do you answer the question, and I’m not being facetious here, “If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?”

JZK: If no one is there to hear it, then it doesn’t make a sound. Everything is relative to the person experiencing the falling of the tree. The person asking the question hears the tree falling because they have the memory of it in the conscious brain. But the rest of the people in the world won’t hear it fall, only the person asking the question hears it.

GS: As I sat through, What the Bleep for the first time, I kept seeing you talking ...

JZK: That was Ramtha. That was not me.

GS: Right. Well, I hadn’t seen you or Ramtha in so long, I kept wondering, “Who is that? I know who that is!” It wasn’t until at the end at the credits, I went, “Oh gosh that’s J.Z. Knight.” What have you been doing all of these years? I mean, I know you’ve been busy.

JZK: That’s true. We have been. Ramtha developed this school in 1988. All through the dialogue years when we were iconed in the ’80s, with the dialogues, basically sent out all the runners and made things happen for people. In 1988 the school was actually formed and called the School of Enlightenment. It is about the concept of God as deity as human. Consciousness and energy, as not one consciousness, but actually seven distinct levels of consciousness with all their frequencies. This can be described as a journey of what we’re doing here, how we got here, where we are going, where we’ve been. All of the natural questions that people ask, but actually teaching people about the God that is within them. Then creating from the void, the zero point concept of energy with the visible light spectrum, going all the way down, making a perfect triangle, or one face of a pyramid, but actually explaining the seven levels of consciousness and energy. It’s really important, what I’m telling you, because it tells us where we came from. We actually descended in frequency through these levels to become the experience which is gross matter as we know it. And why would we do that? Making known the unknown is the greatest law there is. Ramtha says that is our destiny—to make known the unknown. That goes into the eternal and forever. There is no end to that, regardless of what some religious persuasions would want you to believe.

     And now to define that great science in terms of quantum physics. To say finally that the ground of being of consciousness and energy and mind developed from them begins the quantum field, and that an innate ability to sustain an observation the brain has manufactured from the quantum field becomes the architectural concept throughout all of reality. It explains the aspect of our own divinity and one great mystery solved. So, we’ve been getting to the understanding of what the brain is and how it works, and if it’s there to be frequency-specific to consciousness and to develop the concept of our personality. There are six billion personalities alive today in the world and six billion DNA groupings that use the same basic four nucleic acids to define human beings, to color those human beings. But there are six billion people using the brain today, and what differentiates you and I from a neurological concept of personality, that makes us different from them ... we all have thumbs but the print of our thumb is different than the person next to us. We’ve learned that in the school. We learn what the properties of the brain were and how the properties interfaced with these seven levels of consciousness and energy, and actually parts of the brain that were latent and unusable are not unusable for any reason other than the level of frequencies that we’re using to create reality is not frequency specific to those areas. Those would be asking for exotic consciousness. That would be working through a brain to produce a superposition of a thought which, we call a hologram. Then the waitress down the street who is having this happen in her brain, the observer effect in her brain observes this incredible thought that is uncommon in her life, but observes it to which its reality is formed as result of that.

     So in the school we learn the reason for our brain, how it works, how our body serves the brain, how our body is connected through the experience of what we create. And what are our possibilities for life, if six billion people are alive in the world using the same brain and are essentially the production of four nucleic acids as DNA, then what differentiates a common person from an extraordinary person? That would then be called “mind,” and how mind is produced from personality, from brain matter, from the subatomic field and how that part of the brain of a genius operates differently from a person who is going through the motions of their life without any interference from the collective perception.

     The school held by Ramtha, then, was not simply extraordinary, unheard of. Not old-age, not new-age, none of that garbage, but an absolutely thorough understanding of the descent of concepts from the quantum field all the way through to lower forms of time, meaning slower frequency. And then the reason why, and what part the brain plays in that, what our body, our molecules of motion are actually formed from, and what did they get formed from. Then to go on, and not only just have that knowledge and information, but actually disciples that from a teaching having to do with this, an actual initiation into this, into an experiment in which a student learns to take the knowledge and disciplines and apply the knowledge as has been taught, and experience the discipline, then brings the neuro-net of that knowledge into experiential truth. Now the student is learning to develop a mind that is extraordinary, rather than common.

     The school is in Washington, and students came from all over the world and have been attending for all of these years. There is a huge student body with some profoundly remarkable people in the class. The creators of What the Bleep have been long time students of Ramtha. The idea for the movie is an outcropping of what is going on in the school and what remarkable people were doing.

GS: I’ve often thought that we were attracted to the physical plane for its density, making the world more or less a theme park.

JZK: That would be one way to look at it. But another way would be that we belong here because we haven’t finished our work. Because we are so compelled by our emotions to define who we are that, in fact, emotions mean that we are midstream of an experience we probably started prior to this life. We’re reincarnated from bliss. We are imprinted with what we are to become. We are our path. We are wired for our journey. That we are preordained to be different levels of temperament because those are the things that construct the environment that help us now to relive these emotions and to own them so that when our death is complete, we already have these emotions that are owned. They’re not fire in our body, but in fact, they are a rich cauldron of wisdom. Then we begin to create these new ideas. These new ideas then become the very fabric in which we begin to augment reality, then absolutely begin to layer it with something much more dynamic. As we begin to create that, that reality appears and our bodies are the instrument in which we experience new emotions, new absolute rich feelings of what it is to experience something we have created. Once we’ve experienced it and we’ve logged that back as wisdom, we use that experience to formulate yet a greater and better design.

GS: Upgrade our ticket.

JZK: We keep doing this until we have high resonant frequency in our body which allows us to. Right now we are studying bi-location in the school, the concept that Sir Roger Penrose is talking about in Discover magazine, the occupation by an electron of two places at once. That has always been taught in the school as discipline. That’s what we’re doing right now. People are disappearing and reappearing in other places. We have the photographs.

GS: That’s very interesting.

JZK: To answer your question, that’s what we’ve been doing. Ramtha created the school that then created the set of knowledge, as well as its disciplines, to begin for us to learn what we’re here to do. So, while we’ve been quiet, we’ve been building a huge academy of thought that has actually been studied by scientists who came here and studied all of it. So, it’s gone through the rigor of investigation.

GS: You’re going to be in Chicago in early July and people will actually have an opportunity to see you?

JZK: They are going to get to see me. In fact, I’m going to be on a television program there and will have a workshop. On Friday evening, we’re going to have an incredible event in which we are going to teach people how to do sending and receiving. Things that they can do just to get an idea of how significant they really are. They are going to learn some fantastic things the first night. Then the day and a half following will be a sampling of the knowledge taught at the school. The first night will be very dynamic because it’s an introduction night, and in that short time people are going to learn how to do some incredible things. Again, like the movie, it’s all about you.

GS: Anything in closing?

JZK: Only to say that there is so much more to us in this life, and that I would encourage people to read about quantum physics and to read about their brain more. The more they know about themselves, the more impressed they will become about what they can do.

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J.Z. Knight presents the Quintessential School of the Mind, an introductory workshop where participants learn the science and application of using the quantum field to create a new lie through change. July 8–10 at the Sheraton Chicago Northwest, 3400 West Euclid Road, Arlington Heights. For more information, see the advertisement in this issue and visit www.Ramtha.com; to register, call 360-458-5201, ext. 10, or email registration@ramtha.com.

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