Guy Spiro: George, I usually like to start out by asking people to briefly tell their story. How did you come to be who you are?

George Noory: Well, I’m still not sure who I am, to tell you the truth.

[laughter]

All I know is this evolution for me started when I was a little boy, just having unusual things happen to me. I had an out of body experience when I was eleven years old, my mother was constantly giving me fascinating information on UFOs, space and life beyond our own planet and I just got to the point where I decided that when I grew up, that’s what I wanted to do. I didn’t know exactly how. All I knew is that I wanted to unravel those kinds of stories.

GS: We are in the same age group. I’ll bet we had the same favorite comic book character, Dr. Strange.

GN: Ah, Dr. Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts.

[laughter]

GS: I also had a deep and abiding interest in the metaphysics and the occult when I was little boy.

GN: It makes an impression on you. I went into broadcasting at 21 and my first radio interview was who I now call the father of modern day UFOlogy, Stanton Friedman. It’s just been an amazing run for me.

GS: What have been your major influences?

GN: I think my most major influence has been the unknown itself. There hasn’t been a specific individual who has guided or pushed me into the field other than my mother’s interest. In terms of the guiding force, it is just a constant quest for the mysteries.

GS: Once you’ve got the bug, there doesn’t seem to be any going back on it. What is new and exciting for you these days?

GN: Well, we just keep pushing the show. We now have over five hundred affiliates. We’re on XM satellite. We just keep moving along. Streamlink is doing really well for us. That’s our computer generated broadcast where we podcast to people the next morning. Life is good. It is going very well for us.

GS: I notice as I look at the Coast to Coast site that you’ve had on some of the same people I’ve interviewed over the years. I see Zecharia Sitchin and other people like that.

GN: We’re a small community where a lot of these incredible guests float on various venues. All of them add an important ingredient to what we’re all after, which is really to unravel some of these mysteries. Whether it is Richard Hoglan or Zecharia Sitchin or even some scientist, all of them are fascinating and I think really important to what we are trying to accomplish. We want to really get to the bottom line of who we are and why we are here. I think that is a direction all of us are looking.

GS: There is a mass awakening that is going on in the world.

GN: Probably much more now than ever before, and I think one of the reasons for that is frustration over our governmental leaders pushing us in directions that we don’t want to go. We don’t have to get into all the specifics of what they are doing. It’s obvious. It’s them against us. It’s control against who we are. I think a lot of people nowadays, at least the Coast to Coast listeners and, I’m sure, readers of The Monthly Aspectarian, want to change. They don’t want to be constantly bombarded by the same things that have happened to them over the years.

GS: It’s clear that there is a plutocracy. There always has been and there likely always will be. But the weakness of the plutocracy is inherent in its very name. A plutocracy has to be kept hidden and secret and is vulnerable to light.

GN: You can’t hide it anymore, not with the media out there the way it is. There is just no doubt in my mind that things like this can’t be hidden anymore. When the Bilderberg Group meets, we know about it now. Years ago, people didn’t know who they were, but that’s all changing now.

GS: I think it’s important for people to understand that the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati, all the different ways people refer to plutocracy, are not some monolithic, all powerful group that is cohesive in the way some people paint them. I think they are rather more diffuse than that. They fight amongst themselves. There are weaknesses.

GN: Of course they fight among themselves because they are all greedy. They are trying to one up each other. Their common goal is to control the population and manipulate it in various and different ways, whether it is oil prices or food or vaccines. That is what they do.

GS: I was sitting on a panel a few weeks ago reviewing the movie Zeitgeist, and somebody asked the members of the panel, “What is the plutocracy’s motive for piling up all this control and power and money and everything?” And I said, “So they can think that they won the game.” And she said, “But I’m not playing the game.”

[laughter]

We all just had to laugh and I said, “Yes you are, whether you know it or not. And if you don’t know it, you are the game.”

GN: If you are in a game, you got to play it to win. That’s the other thing.

GS: But her original question was valid. What does motivate them to try to control everything?

GN: When you have all the money, power, technology ... what’s left other than control of the minions? That’s what they want and they’ve been at it since the beginning of civilization.

GS: We’re at a really interesting point in this country right now. Movement Conservatism has succeeded in concentrating wealth and power back to the one percenters like at no time since the ’20s, which turned into the ’30s. We certainly heard about that from our parents. A new New Deal is going to have to emerge out of all of this.

GN: What’s happening with the economy has been by design, to squeeze out the middle class, which they have been doing quite effectively. All they have to do is just print more money. You’ve seen the bail-out of Bear-Stearns, created with fictitious dollars. When the Federal Reserve loans more money to J.P. Morgan, they just create it. There is nothing that backs it up. They just say we’re going to do it and they do. It would be nice if they did that for us once in a while.

GS: And when you look at it, you realize it’s all just data.

GN: All just numbers. There is nothing behind it.

GS: Someone was recently going on about the gold standard. “Oh, if we were just on the gold standard, we’d know the real value of everything.” And I said, “Wait a minute, what is the intrinsic value of gold?”

[laughter]

Gold is worth whatever we all agree it is worth. A return to the gold standard would fix nothing.

GN: Exactly. Exactly.

GS: It is all just so funny to watch. Like I said earlier, the plutocracy by its very name must operate in the dark, but there is increasing light being generated. The light of consciousness is growing by leaps and bounds.

GN: The bottom line is that no matter what happens to us on this roller coaster ride of life, eventually the good people are going to win out. I’ve always been a firm believer that good beats evil. It might not be a very friendly trip, but in the end, the good people will win. I really think that is going to happen.

GS: In some of the mythologies, you find that one pure soul with the sword slays the dragon.

     You focus a lot on UFOs and aliens and all of that. Look at the sky on a clear night and it should be obvious that we are not alone in the universe. What is your take?

GN: I’ve never seen a UFO, but I do believe in them. I believe we have been visited. I believe there is just too much testimony out there by reliable people who have seen these very unusual things. More importantly, I believe we were jump started, that mankind was created, and yes, I believe in a God, a higher power. But I do believe that the messengers, whoever they may be, came to this planet and said, “You know what, we have got to start things up here, and they did.”

GS: Who are the nephilim mentioned in Genesis? I mean, it’s right there. Do you think they are actively involved in our affairs at this point?

GN: Not directly. But one thing that baffles me is the alien abduction phenomenon, because there are just too many people seeing too many things that are very similar. If that is indeed happening, it is a very bizarre situation going on here.

GS: I’m interested in all kinds of metaphysical experiences, but that one I think I’ll pass on, if I have the choice.

[laughter]

GN: There are a lot of strange mysteries on this wondrous planet of ours.

GS: I am a big fan of prehistory.

GN: Michael Cremo is one of the best for stuff like that.

GS: Barbara Hand Clow’s book Catastrophobia is one of my favorites. There are just so many anomalies that don’t fit the “Mesopotamia was our first civilization” model. They keep sweeping them under the rug, but now the lump under the rug is bigger than the model. I collect the stories about the things that are found, but you rarely know which of them are true.

     Going back to the aliens for a moment, if we are really being visited from uncounted light years away, that implies a technology so far beyond ours.

GN: They are not coming here with the kind of propulsion systems we have. They have learned how to bend space and time.

GS: You have to be able to go non-physical to travel those distances.

GN: It would be nice to go between New York and L.A. in an instant.

GS: I’ve been wanting to do that since I was a kid. Teleportation really should be here by now. Since we’re boomers, we both get to ask, “Where are our flying cars?” We are supposed to have them by now.

GN: The way people drive on the ground, I’m not so sure we want flying cars.

[laughter]

GS: I have wondered how we would actually manage the traffic.

     What are some of the things that have peaked your interest lately?

GN: I love the stories of underground tunnels where there could be civilizations underground. Submerged UFO stories are hot.

GS: Like under Mount Shasta and places like that.

GN: All over. The increasing oil price is an important story. Alternative energy, the eternal quest for Big Foot, these are all just great stories.

GS: My favorite theory on Big Foot is that they are surviving Neanderthal, little pockets of them still hiding out.

GN: It is very possible. We have all been around at the same time.

GS: It’s funny that every culture has a creation myth, but people don’t seem to understand that that’s what they are, myths. It’s amazing that people kill each other over their creation myths and what they think happens after death.

GN: They’ve been doing that forever, haven’t they ...

GS: It’s just amazing. One of the distinctions I like to make is that religion will fly airplanes into buildings, but spirituality won’t.

GN: So will greed.

GS: Which takes us back to Zeitgeist. What do you think? You look at the videos and you hear about the zeolite (a particular kind of explosive used in building demolition which we hear was found in the wreckage) and it does start to look like an inside job.

GN: There is a definition for what inside is. Did people know about it and turn their backs so other things could evolve and occur? That’s very possible. Did direct people in government sit down and plot this thing? No, I don’t think so.

GS: I don’t believe that either.

GN: Was there a power group that wants to control and manipulate who may have hired these fundamentalists to do what they did? I think that is very possible.

GS: If not hired, then at least facilitated.

GN: I just think there are others involved in things for their own personal reasons and they will do whatever they have to do.

GS: I’ve suspected it is a rogue element within the plutocracy.

GN: What are the odds of Mohammad Atta’s passport being found outside of the World Trade Center when everything else was disintegrated? Does that make sense?

GS: That and Building Seven. If all that gold was really in that building ...? There’s just too much smoke there. On the other hand, from the Islamic fundamentalist viewpoint, what a return on investment. It cost something like $100,000 or $200,000 and we’ve spent how many billions in response?

GN: It was a low tech operation that worked for them.

GS: They have us spending millions for every penny that they spent. It’s just amazing. But from the plutocracy’s point of view, when the cold war ended and that fear was lifted from us, they had to come up with something else to scare us into blind obedience.

GN: That’s true. They continue to create different things to keep us on edge. We have other enemies now, whether it is China or Russia or terrorism. They come up with pandemics that never occur.

GS: SARS, oh my God, SARS is coming!

GN: Everything is set up to play around with people’s minds.

GS: They now have people more afraid of terrorism than they were of war with the Soviets, which was a much more serious and potentially devastating danger.

GN: They are more devious than ever.

GS: I recently read that you are more likely to drown in your bathtub than be hurt by a terrorist attack in this country. Yet they were able to use this to manipulate us to pass the Patriot Act and all this stuff. It’s unbelievable.

GN: And they are not done.

GS: Some of the more radical among my friends say the camps are already built.

GN: I hear that, too. Former bases and things like that. I interviewed a guy years ago who claimed the camps were being built—and we can’t find the guy anymore.

GS: There you go. What strikes me about that particular scare story is that we heard the same thing in the ’60s. The same kind of fears are recirculating. I got into an altercation with one otherwise brilliant young man when I told him his rhetoric would lead to this go-round’s equivalent to being in the Weather Underground.

GN: I wonder who the psychologists are who came up with this concept of scaring the population to control people.

GS: Ah, well, you’ve seen Naomi Klein’s work, The Shock Doctrine. Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics is credited with it. They have it down to a science. How hard do you squeeze a country until they riot? How much of a shock to a society is needed to break its spirit? Whether engineered or a natural disaster, they can predict to the moment, and as soon as things get crazy enough, they can implement anything.

GN: That’s what is happening now. We are being squeezed to the point where enough is enough. Remember the movie, Network? Howard Beal said, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore.”

GS: The question becomes, will they make us into Argentina in the ’80s or Bolivia now? I do not think so.

     What makes you hopeful George?

GN: I’m hopeful because I am hopeful about humanity. I’ve always been a very upbeat person, believing that, eventually, you cannot contain good, as much as you may want to. That is what keeps driving me. That is what keeps pushing me. I have three kids. I have four grandchildren. One day I’ll be gone, joining the great hereafter. This universe, or these series of universes, are here for a purpose, and it’s our jobs to figure out how to get to that purpose, and that is my question.

GS: And to have fun doing it.

GN: You’ve got to have fun doing it or it is not worth doing.

GS: I really just think that fun is just about the prime directive.

GN: Yes, absolutely.

GS: What will you be doing at the U.S. Psychotronics Event here in Chicago?

GN: I usually do a meet and greet and then give a talk, and take questions from people and really personalize things. I am the person doing the interviewing on Coast to Coast every night, so whenever I do these speaking engagements, I let them interview me. It’s no holds barred. Let them ask me things that they normally don’t hear.

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George Noory, radio host of “Coast to Coast AM” heard nationally on over five hundred stations, will be the Saturday evening banquet keynote speaker for the USPA 34th Annual Conference: USPA 2008, Healing the Earth with Subtle Energies. Noory will also give a presentation at the conference Sunday afternoon. For additional information and registration, see the ad in this issue or visit www.psychotronics.org.

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