Guy Spiro: Jeff, I usually like to start by asking people to tell their story. What did you come through to get where you are now?

Jeff Primack: I began training in Energy Arts, Qigong, in about 1996 or 1997. I was a college student at the University of Florida getting dual degrees, one in Eastern Philosophy and one in Business. During my time there, I studied with a Siberian Shaman who had spent numerous years in a Taoist monastery. She was a Zen Master, could meditate for hours at a time, and had this huge house in Gainesville with no furniture. She had two chairs, one set of dishes and owned basically nothing. She was my first true teacher and she took me under her wing for about two years. She was a professor at